I just joined. I'm 42 - a programmer of oh 34 years - and I was reading about this 11 year orbital of Jupiter and the Solar cycles.
I was using a Java applet 2 years ago - this is the current one I found -
And I was just playing around looking for when all the planets would be on one side of the sun. That day was July 17th approximately 2010.
I got to thinking maybe there is something to this tidal pull of Jupiter as to causal factors to solar peak activity, and to find this is a popular view.
I have since updated my take on things to include this alternation I observe between Saturn and Jupiter - they are both on the same side of the sun, then the opposite, then the same- and their orbits being eliptical ? I figured AH HA - maybe the peak solar cycle is really due to the times Jupiter and Saturn are on exact opposite sitdes (approxiamtely every 11 years, but varies I see from 9 to 13) and also on the same side.
I started to wonder also about star 'wobble' as is detected in exoplanet discovery- wondering if Jupiter can pull the sun towards the earth closer than usual, etc. I thought surely MIT Haystack observatory or SOMEHWERE we'd know for sure the exact realtime distrance of the Sun to the Earth- to my surprise - no such measurement exists.
Anyway - I joined the forum here to ask if anyone has any insights on THIS idea:
Which I am wondering PERHAPS when Jupiter AND Saturn are BOTH at their perihelion- the period when they are closest and moving the fastest- that THIS would be the most influential period on the sun two fold- one, as to causing serious wobble (IF it's both happen to be on the same side of the Sun when both are at perihelion) - OR causing the MOST stress - to which I'm not sure would be if on same side or opposite side during both in perihelion.
forgive my terminology- I'm no astronomer - but I REALLY think that the variation in the solar cycle is resultant from a COMBINATION of Jupiter and Saturn primarily - POSSIBLY bring in Uranus - or Neptune - actually- you'd think it would be collective of ALL mass around the sun in orbit- but I think Jupiter and Saturn seem to be the monsters here.
I've never felt so sure of something in my life- but I'm wondering if anyone here knows WHEN Jupiter and Saturn will be at the same time- in their CLOSEST position to the sun in orbit - I think thisis called perihelion - and also - how OFTEN that happens- and also - does it happen such that BOTH are on the SAME side - always ? or does it alternate (talking ONLY in perihelion in this case for both).
I also wonder if anyone knows where to find precise orbital models for Saturna and Jupiter, I'm willing to explore some new mathematics experiences for myself here - as I really want to find out if these two are the prime causal factors to solar cycles.
I am convinced this heat we have now - record temps all over the globe are resultant from this July 17th time when I can see from the java applet showing position of the planets- all the planets were on one side of the sun - except THIS cycle, I see Jupiter and Saturn are on opposite sides.
I see Jupiter will be behind Eart on September 20th, 2010, and I wonder if Jupiter's pull on the Sun will pull the Sun CLOSER to the Earth, Earth entering IT'S perihelion ? I would think that's a SERIOUS shorter distance than normal from the Earth to the Sun, and am wondering if this could mean even hotter temps in mid to late September.
Oh well- I've been unemployed for nearly a year now - and have had plenty of time to think about this stuff- but I really intuit there is something to Saturn and Jupiter's posiiton - due to their discreet differences in elliptical orbit ? that are responsible for solar activity- such that their elliptical orbit determines maximum and minimum influence on the Sun, such that I can only guess when BOTH those two giants are at their perihelion - SAME SIDE ? I'd think that would cause some SERIOUS pull on the Sun, the day the Earth would be in line with those two ? When they are in perihelion ? I'd think it would be the hottest possible time on Earth.
Hope I didn't bore or bother anyone here - this is all just layman study for me- but I do have a passion to explore this - mainly because I think weather on Earth is still somehow - Pre-Copernicun - it's as if I never ever ever see the Sun mentioned in any weather reports- when I've been watching SOHO for years now - almost daily- and I can see when the Sun shows signs of stress- such as today - that big bright area on the EIT 285 on the left- I expect all of next week should be just killer temps on Earth - all makes sense to me - I could be off my rocker,I don't think so though.
If anyone happens to know when Jupiter and Saturn would be in their perihelion - i'd LOVE to know - I don't yet know how to compute this - I read Keppler may have stolen Brahe's detailed orbital positions- heh - doesn't matter to me - I just want to find out - because THAT DAY when they are ? I'd think the Sun would be something to watch out for - as to stress related activity.
Oh well- sorry if I went on- I don't get out much- as in - short of grocery store- not at all !
I hope to be able to learn new things here - and maybe contribute to further these questions and answers.